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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 22, 2010 18:44:56 GMT -5
lol, what is everyone's issue with the French? French is sexy.
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 18:46:15 GMT -5
lol, what is everyone's issue with the French? French is sexy. Be sexy!  |
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 22, 2010 18:47:55 GMT -5
lol, what is everyone's issue with the French? French is sexy. Be sexy! lol, this will slowly (but surely) turn into another Maryse appreciation thread. |
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Post by Bbsy_is_Jellytick on Feb 22, 2010 18:49:42 GMT -5
Be sexy! lol, this will slowly (but surely) turn into another Maryse appreciation thread. So in other words, this thread is about to get ugly  |
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 18:51:15 GMT -5
Be sexy! lol, this will slowly (but surely) turn into another Maryse appreciation thread. They knew what they were getting into when they brought up the French.  |
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Post by BigFaker on Feb 22, 2010 18:56:24 GMT -5
The fact is though, if you have the ability to fluently (Or at least confidently and coherently) call on a second language, you can look to work abroad in your chosen field, thus more doors are open to you. Job fields can be flooded in certain countries (Say, like building and plumbing over here, or even firefighting) and it can by nigh-on impossible trying to find employment in that field. If its something you're passionate about and really want to go do for a living the knowledge of a second language would be extremely useful. Countries are always looking for skilled people to bring in. Of course you can learn the second language later if you've found all else fails, but that would take time and perhaps even money that you don't have after investing in a degree. Thing is though, it depends on the language, and the choice of language is probably the big reason why it isn't taught from say 1st grade up. A lot of people here just assumed Spanish(because Spanish is one of the highest minorities in America), but there are still more languages than that. And yeah ofcourse it can help you if you want to work abroad, if you chooseto, that's the big key. I'm not looking in my future to go into Graphic Designing into any other country. I'm one who has never been to another country in my life, I've never had the resources nor financial backing to. And I woudln't be surprised if I don't work in another country at all. Yes there are numerous people who look to work in their field abroad, but there are other people like myself who don't see it as a big priority. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to, but it's not a huge priority. Again, I just think it's another one of those skills that depends. It's perfect and you should learn a second language if you looking to work abroad, but not everyone is looking to work abroad. Life isn't ideal, I'm sure if it was all down to choice people would work 1 hour days, from home, for obscene amounts of money (And in certain cases some do). Of course, some people choose not to work at all and end up crippling the nations finances, but thats another discussion for another time. If there are no jobs available over in your current country for your chosen field you'd have to look abroad if you wanted to pursue that career. It should be compulsory in my view because the majority of people don't know what they want to do when they're in high school education. Hell, I don't know what I want to do now and I've been out of High School for 5 years. Language could become extremely useful to people, it could become redundant, the fact is you can't really judge it on a person by person basis and it can't harm to offer such knowledge, as you learn more than just language, you learn foreign cultures and how to look at thing objectively from another nations standpoint. Speaking from personal experience, I've got an intermediate grasp on the French language and it only ever came in useful on my 2 visits to France. I can't see it helping my immediate future but in the same breath I'm glad I have that albeit limit knowledge at my fingertips in case it comes in handy. A co-worker of mine however is having to take time off of work to study other languages so he can move abroad and teach people the English language elsewhere (And in doing so hoping to gain enough experience to come back and teach English here). I personally believe secondary language should be mandatory, but the student should have some say in what language they want to learn. |
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Post by Bbsy_is_Jellytick on Feb 22, 2010 19:08:25 GMT -5
Thing is though, it depends on the language, and the choice of language is probably the big reason why it isn't taught from say 1st grade up. A lot of people here just assumed Spanish(because Spanish is one of the highest minorities in America), but there are still more languages than that. And yeah ofcourse it can help you if you want to work abroad, if you chooseto, that's the big key. I'm not looking in my future to go into Graphic Designing into any other country. I'm one who has never been to another country in my life, I've never had the resources nor financial backing to. And I woudln't be surprised if I don't work in another country at all. Yes there are numerous people who look to work in their field abroad, but there are other people like myself who don't see it as a big priority. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to, but it's not a huge priority. Again, I just think it's another one of those skills that depends. It's perfect and you should learn a second language if you looking to work abroad, but not everyone is looking to work abroad. Life isn't ideal, I'm sure if it was all down to choice people would work 1 hour days, from home, for obscene amounts of money (And in certain cases some do). Of course, some people choose not to work at all and end up crippling the nations finances, but thats another discussion for another time. If there are no jobs available over in your current country for your chosen field you'd have to look abroad if you wanted to pursue that career. It should be compulsory in my view because the majority of people don't know what they want to do when they're in high school education. Hell, I don't know what I want to do now and I've been out of High School for 5 years. Language could become extremely useful to people, it could become redundant, the fact is you can't really judge it on a person by person basis and it can't harm to offer such knowledge, as you learn more than just language, you learn foreign cultures and how to look at thing objectively from another nations standpoint. Speaking from personal experience, I've got an intermediate grasp on the French language and it only ever came in useful on my 2 visits to France. I can't see it helping my immediate future but in the same breath I'm glad I have that albeit limit knowledge at my fingertips in case it comes in handy. A co-worker of mine however is having to take time off of work to study other languages so he can move abroad and teach people the English language elsewhere (And in doing so hoping to gain enough experience to come back and teach English here). I personally believe secondary language should be mandatory, but the student should have some say in what language they want to learn. But if you wanted to learn French, you learn French, but then that job isn't offered in France and is offered in say Germany instead, then what?Then you would have to go back to school to learn ANOTHER language. You're right, life isn't ideal. But what skill may help another person tremendously may not help another. High school is the time though where kids should begin to know what they want to do in their careers, or at least have a clue. Which is why school systems now are starting to gear high school more towards college in terms of education in fields. Over here, they are bringing numerous academies to high school to encourage people to find their interests more which will encourage them more to go to college. What you want in a career doesn't have to be dead set either. I'm going for Journalism/Graphic Design now, but it wouldn't surprise me if that chances. The thing is though I think you gotta start getting a clue. Another thing is, not everyone will get the chance to go to another country, and to be honest, I honestly think that chance is low. Like I said about myself, I wouldn't be surprised at all in my lifetime if I don't even get to visit another country. It's not something that's been in my priority. And numerous people would rather change their fields or find something within their field of choice as long as they are in America than go to another place and work. Even take now for instance. Numerous American are in dyer need of jobs more than ever, but I think a small percentage of them are saying "Well, guess I'll just pack up and go to another country to find that job there instead." I'm not saying that's good or bad, but I think its true. I'm sure when I get a job there will be someone like a customer or a co worker or whatever that speaks a different language from me and I won't be fluent in that language, but I honestly don't think it would be that detrimental. Edit: One more important point I want to make is, to find a job in other country, that takes money. Which is probably the biggest reason why right now you don't see millions of Americans packing up to France or England even though the job market is low right now. That's why numerous like myself have never been to another country before in my life. I think more education towards field of occupation in terms of financial matters should be covered in more bases before we worrying about what we will do in other countries. |
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Post by burke211 on Feb 22, 2010 19:21:09 GMT -5
Pourquoi toute la haine pour le Français ici?
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 19:22:16 GMT -5
Pourquoi toute la haine pour le Français ici? I would exalt you for that, but I quite like your karma at 69. |
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Post by b_Pooly on Feb 22, 2010 19:22:06 GMT -5
Uh, language just like math is important in most fields, that is why it is taught, you are lucky enough to find a job that doesn't need either, than all the power to you. However, that is also ignoring the fact that both can be extremely useful to you in your personal life. Say you manage to save up some money to go on a dream vacation, which many do, and you choose to go somewhere they don't speak English, what will you do, then? Pray that a nice person won't screw you over or that you run into someone who speaks English? Why limit yourself to only places that speak English when there is a whole world out there for you to see if you like?
You don't see yourself going elsewhere now, but that doesn't mean you won't in the future. You are still ridiculously young. It seems more like you are looking for an excuse to get out of an education because you want your career right now, that isn't the greatest outlook on life, you will have your career soon enough.
Now, just so she doesn't think she's getting off easy, what is wrong with Spanish, Christine? ;D
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Post by burke211 on Feb 22, 2010 19:24:11 GMT -5
Pourquoi toute la haine pour le Français ici? I would exalt you for that, but I quite like your karma at 69. My long term goal is to reach 666. Actually, -666 would look better. |
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Post by b_Pooly on Feb 22, 2010 19:27:02 GMT -5
I would exalt you for that, but I quite like your karma at 69. My long term goal is to reach 666. I wanted to reach -501 and ultimately -666 but some vile chick took it all away from me  |
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 19:29:12 GMT -5
My long term goal is to reach 666. I wanted to reach -501 and ultimately -666 but some vile chick took it all away from me I like -360 for you. And yes, Burke should have 666. That way I can have 69. ;D |
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Post by Bbsy_is_Jellytick on Feb 22, 2010 19:29:48 GMT -5
Uh, language just like math is important in most fields, that is why it is taught, you are lucky enough to find a job that doesn't need either, than all the power to you. However, that is also ignoring the fact that both can be extremely useful to you in your personal life. Say you manage to save up some money to go on a dream vacation, which many do, and you choose to go somewhere they don't speak English, what will you do, then? Pray that a nice person won't screw you over or that you run into someone who speaks English? Why limit yourself to only places that speak English when there is a whole world out there for you to see if you like? You don't see yourself going elsewhere now, but that doesn't mean you won't in the future. You are still ridiculously young. It seems more like you are looking for an excuse to get out of an education because you want your career right now, that isn't the greatest outlook on life, you will have your career soon enough. Now, just so she doesn't think she's getting off easy, what is wrong with Spanish, Christine? ;D Eek, way to make assumptions. Consider, this: only 34% of Americans own passports. www.gyford.com/phil/writing/2003/01/31/how_many_america.php. Yeah I would love to go visit another country in my personal lifetime, question is though, could I afford it? Let's not make it seem like you can just pack up and move to another country like the snap of a finger. It costs. Which is probably the biggest reason why more Americans aren't rushing to get out the country. I never said that language wasn't important, but let's balance out the optimism with reality. The reality is, most Americans can't afford to go to another country, and numerous may never be able to. Yeah there is a whole world out there to see, but it takes money to see it, and money doesn't grow on trees. Learning a second langauge can be important, but you have to get somewhere first before it can be important, that's the key. America is just now barely touching those bases. Fact is, I'm more worried about what I can do here first before I worry about what I can do somewhere else. You can teach million of second language skills to 1st graders, but the stats say that only 34% of them will own passports, which means 66% of the rest of them will more than likely have minimal use of those second language skills. America aims(or at least tries to) aim to team the majority, not the minority(in terms of numbers). |
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Post by b_Pooly on Feb 22, 2010 19:39:02 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what you like B!
And I didn't make any assumptions. An assumption would mean I held a belief. I also never said everyone can do it, I said many can do it.
A second language is very helpful in our own country, You know this country has people from various backgrounds right?
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 19:45:04 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what you like B!  |
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Post by Bbsy_is_Jellytick on Feb 22, 2010 19:46:26 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what you like B! And I didn't make any assumptions. An assumption would mean I held a belief. I also never said everyone can do it, I said many can do it. A second language is very helpful in our own country, You know this country has people from various backgrounds right? Well you basically stated that I just wanted a quick way out of an education, even though I've worked my ass off in school and even earned college credits while I was in high school, so I'm not trying to find some quick and easy scheme out of school. The fact is, education will probably be starting to gear less towards liberal arts education in high school and more towards major(they are already making it here that you choose your major in high school) in order to get more and more people into college and to get more and more people to want to go to into college. It's not about a "quick and easy way to get out of school." No. Our school system is faulty, many even on here from foreign countries and our own president has addressed this. I know an exchange student from Germany who says that she learns so much more there than she did here, even though the social experience was fun. Things ARE going to change here because kids are falling being trying to cover stuff in the 9th and 10th grade that they should've BEEN covered by the time they were in the 7th grade. Things like reading and math. We shouldn't be trying to pounce liberal arts education in the head still when we are in the 9th grades. Those skills should've been pounced on from kindergarten-at least 7th or 8th grade. High school really is basically the start of your resume. And it's that for a reason. And I know that there are numerous people from other countries here(I've addressed this already), but they are also taught our language when they arrive here(or at least they should already have for job sakes). Just like we are usually taught another country's language when we go to work there. It's not do or die. |
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Post by b_Pooly on Feb 22, 2010 19:56:54 GMT -5
Doesn't matter what you like B! And I didn't make any assumptions. An assumption would mean I held a belief. I also never said everyone can do it, I said many can do it. A second language is very helpful in our own country, You know this country has people from various backgrounds right? Well you basically stated that I just wanted a quick way out of an education, even though I've worked my ass off in school and even earned college credits while I was in high school, so I'm not trying to find some quick and easy scheme out of school. The fact is, education will probably be starting to gear less towards liberal arts education in high school and more towards major(they are already making it here that you choose your major in high school) in order to get more and more people into college and to get more and more people to want to go to into college. It's not about a "quick and easy way to get out of school." No. Our school system is faulty, many even on here from foreign countries and our own president has addressed this. I know an exchange student from Germany who says that she learns so much more there than she did here, even though the social experience was fun. Things ARE going to change here because kids are falling being trying to cover stuff in the 9th and 10th grade that they should've BEEN covered by the time they were in the 7th grade. Things like reading and math. We shouldn't be trying to pounce liberal arts education in the head still when we are in the 9th grades. Those skills should've been pounced on from kindergarten-at least 7th or 8th grade. High school really is basically the start of your resume. And it's that for a reason. And I know that there are numerous people from other countries here(I've addressed this already), but they are also taught our language when they arrive here(or at least they should already have for job sakes). Just like we are usually taught another country's language when we go to work there. It's not do or die. They should have done that 50 years ago, good ol USA! And I complain about the education system all the time, the solution is more math, history, and language, not less... on top of the relevant classes for your career. You know why I hate the education system here? Because I had to take Calc, organic chemistry, and plant physiology for my career in the field of optometry. Do you really think I care how the atoms in glucose line up? Is that going to help me explain why the increased pressure in a Glaucoma pt's eye is going to kill their vision? What does knowing anything about plants have to do with what I want to learn? Calc is also worthless to me, but at least it helps/helped improve my math skills which are always important. |
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Post by Bbsy_is_Jellytick on Feb 22, 2010 20:02:27 GMT -5
Well you basically stated that I just wanted a quick way out of an education, even though I've worked my ass off in school and even earned college credits while I was in high school, so I'm not trying to find some quick and easy scheme out of school. The fact is, education will probably be starting to gear less towards liberal arts education in high school and more towards major(they are already making it here that you choose your major in high school) in order to get more and more people into college and to get more and more people to want to go to into college. It's not about a "quick and easy way to get out of school." No. Our school system is faulty, many even on here from foreign countries and our own president has addressed this. I know an exchange student from Germany who says that she learns so much more there than she did here, even though the social experience was fun. Things ARE going to change here because kids are falling being trying to cover stuff in the 9th and 10th grade that they should've BEEN covered by the time they were in the 7th grade. Things like reading and math. We shouldn't be trying to pounce liberal arts education in the head still when we are in the 9th grades. Those skills should've been pounced on from kindergarten-at least 7th or 8th grade. High school really is basically the start of your resume. And it's that for a reason. And I know that there are numerous people from other countries here(I've addressed this already), but they are also taught our language when they arrive here(or at least they should already have for job sakes). Just like we are usually taught another country's language when we go to work there. It's not do or die. They should have done that 50 years ago, good ol USA! And I complain about the education system all the time, the solution is more math, history, and language, not less... on top of the relevant classes for your career. You know why I hate the education system here? Because I had to take Calc, organic chemistry, and plant physiology for my career in the field of optometry. Do you really think I care how the atoms in glucose line up? Is that going to help me explain why the increased pressure in a Glaucoma pt's eye is going to kill their vision? What does knowing anything about plants have to do with what I want to learn? Calc is also worthless to me, but at least it helps/helped improve my math skills which are always important. The solution is more math, history, maybe language, at an earlier age. In Germany, from what I've heard, by the 8th grade, they have you take a test to see what fields you are good in and guide your later studies more towards that field. We may have to apply a similar system here. The job market and the real world is getting more and more competitive. Good ole "reading and arithmetic" just won't cut it anymore. And actually, math and science very much go hand in hand. Mathematics was and still is basically the first language of almost every science. |
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 20:11:58 GMT -5
I preferred this thread when it was about the French.  |
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 22, 2010 20:15:40 GMT -5
This whole thread:  |
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 20:18:55 GMT -5
This whole thread: Up in this thread and I'm not reading shit!  |
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 22, 2010 20:26:00 GMT -5
 too long; didn't read |
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 20:28:47 GMT -5
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 22, 2010 20:31:36 GMT -5
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 20:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by b_Pooly on Feb 22, 2010 20:34:25 GMT -5
They should have done that 50 years ago, good ol USA! And I complain about the education system all the time, the solution is more math, history, and language, not less... on top of the relevant classes for your career. You know why I hate the education system here? Because I had to take Calc, organic chemistry, and plant physiology for my career in the field of optometry. Do you really think I care how the atoms in glucose line up? Is that going to help me explain why the increased pressure in a Glaucoma pt's eye is going to kill their vision? What does knowing anything about plants have to do with what I want to learn? Calc is also worthless to me, but at least it helps/helped improve my math skills which are always important. The solution is more math, history, maybe language, at an earlier age. In Germany, from what I've heard, by the 8th grade, they have you take a test to see what fields you are good in and guide your later studies more towards that field. We may have to apply a similar system here. The job market and the real world is getting more and more competitive. Good ole "reading and arithmetic" just won't cut it anymore. And actually, math and science very much go hand in hand. Mathematics was and still is basically the first language of almost every science. Yes I heard that too. I knew a student who was from Germany and then moved here... it was pretty funny when he had to take Spanish because German isn't an offered course for testing, lol. Yes, math is important to science, that's just because it is important to everything, that being the reason I didn't justify math before. |
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Post by malfunkshun on Feb 22, 2010 20:35:50 GMT -5
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Post by bfizzle on Feb 22, 2010 20:40:09 GMT -5
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Post by Bbsy_is_Jellytick on Feb 22, 2010 20:40:36 GMT -5
The solution is more math, history, maybe language, at an earlier age. In Germany, from what I've heard, by the 8th grade, they have you take a test to see what fields you are good in and guide your later studies more towards that field. We may have to apply a similar system here. The job market and the real world is getting more and more competitive. Good ole "reading and arithmetic" just won't cut it anymore. And actually, math and science very much go hand in hand. Mathematics was and still is basically the first language of almost every science. Yes I heard that too. I knew a student who was from Germany and then moved here... it was pretty funny when he had to take Spanish because German isn't an offered course for testing, lol. Yes, math is important to science, that's just because it is important to everything, that being the reason I didn't justify math before. But math is still very essential in your field. It's very VERY useful and effective in your case. And yeah I knew a foreign exchange student who said that she learned so much more in her home country's schooling than she did here lol. German is offered here, though. |
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